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This is the new section to review and rate the various "gurus" in Internet marketing, business, self-development, and related topics.

This is not for discussing specific products. Please review specific products in the product review section.
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Who are some more great gurus other than the ones posted??
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Guru's sometimes have a tendecy to go over the average working mans head. I believe the more a person is able to understand something the better they would be able to opporate with it. SIMPLICITY makes all the difference in the world.
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I don't know of any true Internet GURUS that are worthy of discussion, I would like to hear of or about some. Most make false claims and use black hat methods but don't cop to it. Or their Ideas put forth are not really theirs but a re-mash of others. Lets here some input!
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I don't know of any true Internet GURUS that are worthy of discussion, I would like to hear of or about some. Most make false claims and use black hat methods but don't cop to it. Or their Ideas put forth are not really theirs but a re-mash of others. Lets here some input!
I agree that most of the so-called "gurus" aren't really gurus. I think it is funny that there are people out there that take credit for ideas that we have been using online for many years. Most of the real Internet marketing masters are busy making money in the trenches. Much of the training out there is WAY over-hyped.

One guy that I do have respect for is Russel Write with ThemeZoom corporation. He is a smart guy. Krakken is BY FAR the most advanced "theme tool" on the planet.
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Who exactly are these "Gurus"?

Notice that I write "Gurus" in quotation marks? Here's why.



There are two types of people in business... innovators and imitators. I use quotation marks to identify the counterfeits and fakesthe imitators.

Innovators understand WHY things work (or they soon find out, one way or another) and can create their own HOW-to methods, structures and procedures. They're in control of the process and can produce predictable, desirable results, consistently. They understand the importance of emulation — finding a worthy role model and learning from them. This shortens the learning process dramatically. These people are REAL Gurusbut they almost never use that title. It's been damaged beyond repair by the imitators... the "Gurus".


Imitators are obsessed with HOW-to. Their catch-cry is "never mind why, just tell me how!" They see the effects of a process and think they're the cause. So they mimic those effects — then wonder why they won't work, except temporarily.


They haven't a clue about how to be in control of a process, so they try to control the outcome or result... by trying to control the other people involved. This invariably damages the core business and marketing process (the relationships involved) and sabotages any long-term results. Instead of emulating the causes of other people's success, they imitate the effects of their success. So they miss the point entirely.


It's a common form of terminal stupidity that goes hand-in-hand with fear of loss and all its manifestations... including greed, laziness, ignorance and selfishness.


"Gurus" are not the real deal at all. They're manipulative, deceptive sellers (not marketers) who use guile, deceit and emotional manipulation (fear of loss, mostly) to try to control the outcome in their own favour — by controlling the perceptions and actions of people on their lists. They're imitators, for the most part. Any innovations they do create are typically about new ways to hoodwink and manipulate their followers.



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Well put John. You definitely have a way with words!

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Great explanation John!
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Default The Morlocks of IM and MLM (a chilling analogy)

The Morlocks of Internet Marketing and MLM




I’ve always been a big science fiction fan. One of my all-time favourites is H.G. Wells’ classic, “The Time Machine.” In one memorable adventure, the hero visits a far future time where he discovers the human race has evolved into the Eloi — beautiful, serene, innocent men and women, seemingly ageless, living in idyllic conditions where all their needs are taken care of, automatically, by unseen hands.

The longer he stays with them, the more disturbed he becomes by their mindless innocence… their lack of concern when one of their number drowns despite being surrounded by others, their lack of knowledge of who provides for them, their lack of interest in anything but the immediate moment.

Then he discovers the appalling truth: humankind has actually evolved into two streams — the Eloi, and an industrialised, subterranean race called the Morlocks. And it’s the Morlocks who provide for the Eloi… because they breed them for food!

When these chilling, cave-swelling cannibals need to restock their larders, they simply set a siren wailing and the unthinking Eloi come to them, without resistance, and go passively to their awful fate.

In a discussion I was having a week or two back, on the subject of scams and rip-offs in Internet marketing and MLM and the kinds of people who make up the two main groups involved — the perpetrators and their prey — I was struck by the similarities to the Eloi and Morlocks.

My friend made the comment that the scammers must have some way of seeing suckers coming and lying in wait to ambush them. He even used the term “they saw me coming.” It’s too familiar to far too many of us.
I made the flippant reply that, these days, scammers don’t need to see their victims coming… they send for them!



That’s when the Morlocks suddenly leapt from my memory and the striking similarities hit me forcibly.

I was even taken by the fact that if you abbreviated the name “Morlock” it would probably be “ML”… too close for comfort!

But it’s alarmingly true.

On-line especially, it’s a now-familiar phenomenon for a new scam to launch and then, out of nowhere, all the same people start sending out spam about this “newest, hottest, ground-floor” opportunity that will make us all rich in the next 90 days by doing nothing because they’ll do it all for us and spillover will run hot and banks will pay us to join and we’ll have huge malls and make overnight fortunes, etc etc etc etc etc, ad nauseum.

Notice how it always seems to be the same opportunists who fall for these scams? Often, they’re people from our own downline organisations who just can’t resist this latest “opportunity” to lose money and damage their reputations and relationships (if they have any left by now).

Where do the scammers behind these schemes find them? How do they see these suckers coming so unerringly?



They don’t see them coming. They don’t even lie in wait to ambush them. They don’t need to.

They send for them. Again. And again.

In the same way that these desperate junkies try to send for you to join them as fodder for the Morlocks of of IM and MLM… the amoral, manipulative, conscienceless troglodytes (underground dwellers) who prey on the naive, the ignorant and the gullible, by appealing to their greed, laziness, ignorance and gullibility (or, if they keep on falling for it, plain stupidity).

We all have a choice. We can be Eloi. We can be Morlocks. Or we can be neither.

Membership of each group is 100% voluntary.

Which do YOU choose?

Learn to recognise the classic warning signs of scams, especially those counterfeits posing as legitimate IM and MLM programs. They’re not. They’re fakes, always. But legitimate IM and MLM professionals have to wear the damage they inflict.

We need to stand up and be counted. We need knowledge. We need facts. We need objectivity. We need reason.

There are four cornerstones to any success in life:
  • Vision.
  • Time.
  • Effort.
  • Discipline.
We need to invest time and effort to realise our vision. But without the discipline we draw from that vision, we won’t invest the time and effort required.

Here’s the simple key to identifying most scams and counterfeits in IM and MLM…

They promise a FALSE vision built on a “foundation” of
  • NO time needed.
  • NO effort needed.
  • NO discipline needed.
If you spot those appeals, you know you have a FAKE.

Beware of purely emotional appeals that target greed, laziness, fear of loss, ignorance and gullibility. It’s usually all five, but never as obvious as this. They come with fancy names and fancy packaging to mask the harsh reality of what they really are.

If you appeal to greed, laziness, fear of loss, ignorance and gullibility, guess what kind of people you attract?

Do you really believe you can build any kind of long- term financial security with greedy, lazy, desperate, ignorant, gullible people?

No way. When they realise the truth — that this is netWORK marketing, not NOTwork marketing — they’ll be off at the sound of the first Morlock siren call that sends for them.

The question is… will you?

Learn to recognise those Morlock siren calls for what they REALLY are.

Discover how to analyse and evaluate opportunities reliably and objectively, once and for all.

John Counsel

PS: I recently watched the latest re-make of “The Time Machine” with my 19 yo daughter, Esther. This is the version starring Guy Pearce and Jeremy Irons. She preferred this version to the old 1960s version starring Rod Taylor, which I preferred. She ridiculed the make-up and costumes of the 1960s Morlocks. I thought they were pretty daggy, too — but the newer version missed the whole chilling point of the older version (and the original H G Wells novel)… the Morlocks in the latest version come to the surface and hunt the Eloi. In the original version and story, they don’t need to.

The Eloi come straight to them whenever they hear the Morlocks’ siren call
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Just like so many people in Internet and network marketing who go into a mindless trance and pull out their credit cards whenever a “guru” list mailing arrives in their inbox.


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